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October 20

Photo Stretching

Quick question. I recently cropped the photo of Dan Hurley for his article. It appears to be stretched vertically on the infobox, but it is not stretched according to the Wikipedia Commons page (see [1]). Why is this? - RockinJack18 03:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

RockinJack18, I see no stretching on an Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G smartphone using the desktop site. The photo looks normal to me. Cullen328 (talk) 04:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it was updated, thanks for checking! - RockinJack18 05:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@RockinJack18: You asked why it happened so here is the technical explanation. When an Internet page contains an image, the page can optionally specify a display height and width of the image, even if it's the same as the actual image file. It helps the browser reserve the right space for the image so other content isn't shuffled around when the image is read later and the browser discovers the size. MediaWiki automatically does this. If a new version of an image is uploaded, the height-width ratio may change. MediaWiki sometimes has a delay in updating the specified size in pages using the image (or a page version with the old size may be cached by your browser). Then the browser will stretch the image to satisfy the specified size. It's possible (not sure) that purging the page will help. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, thank you for the explanation! - RockinJack18 22:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Talk page: manual archiving

Is it allowed to manual archive a talk page without using a bot? 14.0.158.69 (talk) 08:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes. See Help:Archiving a talk page#Manual archiving for details. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Your question isn't actually germaine to what it is you are trying to do. If you feel the archiving for the One Direction talk page should be changed in some way, please discuss that first. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I saw the WP:TP On talk pages that generate significant amounts of discussion, old discussions are often archived to keep the size of the talk page at a manageable level. This may be done either manually or with the help of a bot. An archive box with links to the discussion archives is normally placed at the top of the current talk page.

but people keeps undo my manual archive even the talk page has a unmanageable level of old discussions. what should i do? 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

As I said, you need to discuss it, especially when others seem to disagree. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Talk:One Direction § Other content removal. Folly Mox (talk) 14:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Wrong link

Hello in this wikipedia page Carnatic music

there is an incorrect link - List of Carnatic music festivals. It is a circular link i.e., it brings you back to the main page Carnatic music.

This must be changed. It is fine to point it to "List of Indian classical music festivals".

Can you please do it ?

thanks Raman Ramanp75 (talk) 14:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Ramanp75, fixed. Folly Mox (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

No untuk buka spam

Help me to open wasap and call 27.125.249.77 (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

This Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. We can't help you with anything else. RudolfRed (talk) 21:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Admin Help

I am needing a Admin to join in a topic.
There is a person that has reverted a edit, and I am wanting a Admin to join due to:

1. This person has a history of Edit Wars.
2. This person has a history of reverting Edits.
3. This person has not given a reason for reverting the edit.
4. This person has a history of not giving a reason for the revert.

With this in mind I would like a second opinion from a Admin.
The topic is Postage Paid Thank you. Sheriff U3 talk 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sheriff U3: This is the wrong venue to ask for admin help. Use one of the appropriate administrator noticeboards like WP:ANI or WP:ANEW. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you for informing me. I will post this there then. Sheriff U3 talk 22:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

After the edits were made, Postage Paid was converted to a redirect to Mail#Payment.   Maproom (talk) 06:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure how to edit Alan_Alda

In the page for Alan Alda, immediately after where it says "The following is a list of M*A*S*H episodes written and/or directed by Alda." there appears to be just a blank space on the page, the actual list is not visible (at least not to me). There is some information that is visible when I edit that section -- I have no idea what to do to make it appear.

PS: I have not edited this article at all, I just happened to have noticed this issue as I was reading it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpearl (talk • contribs) 22:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

22:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC) Morris (talk) 22:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you not see a "[show]" button? —Tamfang (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mpearl: I see a box with "Season | Episode | Credit [show]" at Alan Alda#Writing and directing credits. "show" is below "H" in M*A*S*H for me. Do you see it at [2] or if you log out? Clicking "show" expands a table. Can you click below "H"? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mpearl: The table contents are hidden by default, contrary to MOS:DONTHIDE. I've fixed that (and the minor MOS:SLASH in the preceding paragraph). Bazza 7 (talk) 09:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

October 21

Alex Breingan

Hello there. I am wondering if any editors can help assist. I think I wrote this in the wrong forum before. I am very familiar with this story due to the coverage here in New Zealand. An editor who is closely linked to the subject has shared a fair statement on the emotional stress that this Alex Breingan has brought to the subject here [3].

Upon looking at the article itself, every single note about the financial issues and legal issues are cited from just one reporter. This is not giving it a neutral POV at all as per the rules with Wikipedia. The only other reporter out of the section talked about a website that was setup and questioned here [4] and about the recievership issues [5] but every single else source is from a single reporter under the Media Insider section of the NZ Herald. This needs to be adjusted and fixed so it's neutral. It's not fair on the subject with a single reporter writing these articles which the subject hasn't even talked back about them being true or not. It's a horrible way of writing without any balance.

The comment earlier claims that they aren't true, alot of the facts. Thank you. Can any experienced editors go and take a look at this? The friend of the subject has asked if the article can be deleted. If this is an option, can this happen? Thank you. It's just very unbalanced, the entire article and shouldn't be mostly cited from one single reporter. The New Zealand Investigation section should be cited from the source of the people doing the investigation, not from a reporter who is reporting everything about the subject. And the furniture purchases is completely a civil issue, not related to his company.

Another editor replied to where I posted this earlier [Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Alex Breingan] and said:

It's definitely a crappy article (which are legion on Wkipedia), with the financial/legal issues over-emphasized, overly-detailed (WP:VNOTSUFF) and written in pedantic Wikipedia:Proseline, as if every single news article warrants a new paragraph. The section should be consolidated into a couple paragraphs, to summarize without being so tedious, although some will probably scream "whitewashing!!!". --Animalparty!

Can any admins go through please and clean up this article? This is not good faith at all for the subject. Seems more of an attack page on the subject. Thank you.

MonkeyMonkeyHere (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Looks like it's being resolved through a deletion nomination and the other help desk. Thank you! MonkeyMonkeyHere (talk) 04:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Citing a presentation

Would it be acceptable to cite a presentation to back up an extraordinary claim? The presentation can't be found in its original form online however was created by a reliable source, likely still exists on their servers, and the claim can be backed up by a Twitter post, which contains a still from the presentation. It's a lot of additional clauses, I know. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Reliable Wikipedia content must be published. The presentation can't be found in its original form online [so, nope] however was created by a reliable source [sez who?], likely still exists on their servers ["likely" doesn't count], and the claim can be backed up by a Twitter post, which contains a still from the presentation [a Twitter post is again not gonna cut it]. Nope, nope, nope, no way. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Queen Mary of Denmark

I have just added a "Commons" file - all wrong. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Domain_House_Hobart_20171119-013.jpg#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D

Sorry. Please add the caption: "Queen Mary graduated from the University of Tasmania in 1995"

Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: Please read Help:Pictures. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

How do I delete an authorized amin and set mine

How do I delete an authorized amin and set mine 6mile722 (talk) 03:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

What is 'an unauthorised amin'? AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Which amin do you wish to delete and why? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Page move headers

I started a Page Move discussion here. Another editor who strongly opposes my suggested title has now added his/her own preferred title to the move header as a second "alternative" suggestion. Tinkering with a move header like this seems WP:POINTY to me, but I can't find anything in WP policy that specifically addresses this. Muzilon (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding a direct link to the page move discussion for Larnoch Road murders for improved blind accessibility. Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirect deleted category?

Category:Pages with accessibility problems was recently deleted as overlapping Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories but no redirect was created. I was thinking to add such a redirect, since it might help anyone who might have bookmarked the deleted category get to the kept one. I'm guessing the fact that one wasn't created implies that might not be a good idea.

Is there a good reason not to create such a redirect for a deleted category? Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 13 § Category:Pages with accessibility problems.

Thisisnotatest, guidance is at WP:CATRED, with a user essay at Wikipedia:Category redirects that should be kept. Category redirects are Soft redirects, and watchlisting redirects doesn't show changes to the redirect target (also watchlisting a category doesn't show changes in membership).

My phone somehow ate the second half of this reply, but a redirect is not needed. Per Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Pages with accessibility problems, three projectspace pages associated with WikiProject Disability may need to be updated to link the surviving category, but that's the last step I think. Folly Mox (talk) 12:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Folly Mox, thank you. After checking those pages, it appears no further action is needed. Anyway, glad I asked. Thisisnotatest (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

geography

where was DIAL SQUARE IN THE UK? 2A02:C7C:36B2:8400:4CD3:B10D:FD13:5BEB (talk) 11:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

See Dial Square F.C.. PS: wrong venue; you want the Reference Desk. SerialNumber54129 12:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

But to complete the trail of breadcrumbs, the original Dial Square was an area of workshops within the Royal Arsenal. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I was trying to avoid foul language... SerialNumber54129 12:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

As a Leyton Orient supporter, I feel your pain. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 15:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge archives?

Hi, is it possible to merge the archives of two articles? SerialNumber54129 12:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:Histmerges are possible in any namespace, but the method I've seen in the past is leaving the merged articles' talkpage archives at separate subpage titles. In this case Talk:Cheese dream has no content, so can be redirected without histmerge. Folly Mox (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox: Ah, right; although it has no content is because I already archived it? SerialNumber54129 12:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see: Talk:Cheese dream/Archive 1 was not listed in an {{archives}} on Talk:Cheese dream, so I didn't see it. Also, I was wrong about the talkpage anyway: it transcludes {{DYK talk}}.

For my somewhat recent experience with this type of thing, you can see how it was handled at Help talk:Your first article/Archive 4. The upside to this is that talkpage threads referring to a specific article title are sequestered from one another; the downside is that users' contribs will appear to have been made directly to the archive (since it is a move target rather than copypasted by an archive bot).

I don't really feel like doing a thorough examination of Talk:Cheese dream/Archive 1 to see whether it would make sense to histmerge the talkpage archives, but I note after a brief naive search that as of eight years ago, the vibe seems to have been talkpages of merged articles usually don't get merged. Folly Mox (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Folly Mox, I'll leave it then. Gotta feeling I've messed something up somewhere, so probably best to leave well alone  :) Cheers! SerialNumber54129 12:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Save Page Now on Wayback Machine

Twitter postings from Internet Archive state that Wayback Machine is now up and running. However, I still cannot Save Page Now. Is it still down after the cyberattack? Thanks. Tfhentz (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tfhentz: It's in read-only mode. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

why are you letting everyone to edit?

wikipedia was about collecting moderate information but how is it legal to let anyone edit sources and history without knowing the intention of the edit? such as erasing a group's people history, culture and dehumanize them with biased or no-moderate information from extreme people. I have seen this happening since the BDS movement, when cancel colture has been spreading lies about israelis and jews. I've seen this been manipulated to try and brainwash the world that "palestine was created a million years ago" when you search in google for "when palestine was created" (you won't see it anymore but surely sen it in tiktok and such but if you were smart you would see there was a manipulation of an article saying that "there was a find of homosapian body in a 'palesinian territory'" to monopolize the google search) I've seen endless erasing and changes of jewish history just to try and erasing jew's connection to their home for YEARS and its happening with Oct 7th and Zionism as well. you can also see the difference when you change the language.

this manipulation is part of a destruction and the rise of antisemitism is the results. (no, if you think zionism is not part of jews and you "don't hate jews" for critisizing ONLY israel and not terrorist groups, then you are brainwashed already) seeing how many kids who don't have the ability for a critical mind use thise site for their "H.W.",perhaps you need to stop allowing everyone to monopolize the information like that? Grisimmm (talk) 14:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

We have two articles: History of Palestine (the geographical entity), and History of the State of Palestine (20th century partition plan) - X201 (talk) 15:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Grisimmm Please read the information I will post on your user talk page. You are not permitted to edit about this topic. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

publish an article that is in my sandbox

Hello, I want to publish an article that is currently in my sandbox, how can I do it? Pauletta Sofia (talk) 17:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

This is the English-language Wikipedia. Articles are written in English. Your sandbox contains an article in Spanish, and thus will not be accepted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

And now you have moved your Spanish article to mainspace in English Wikipedia, where it does not belong. There is no mechanism for moving pages between different Wikipedias, so you should create es:Roberto Garzón Jiménez and then (assuming that your draft satisfies Spanish Wikipedia's policies), copy the source from Roberto Garzón Jiménez into it.

I note that you have uploaded c:Notario Roberto Garzón Jímenez.jpg as "own work", without giving any copyright permission, so the image will get deleted in a few days unless you do so.

I also note that if the photo (and the previous version) are indeed your own work, then you would appear to be associated with Jimenez, and as far as English Wikipedia is concerned you have a conflict of interest. (I don't know what Spanish Wikipedia's policies on this are). ColinFine (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

There actually is a mechanism for moving pages between wikis, see WP:IMPORT, but it requires advanced permisssions. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

New article on WordPress Vs WPEngine or editing the main WordPress page?

Hi, the recent controversy surrounding WordPress and WPEngine has strong impact on the entire ecosystem and has already started changing the way people use WordPress. This is why I am thinking of creating a separate article on the issue.

I want to know whether - as far as Wikipedia rules are concerned - creating a new page on this topic is legit or not.

Thanks. ParallelDimension (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The dispute is covered by reliable sources. My suggestion is to create a neutral well-referenced section about it at WordPress. If that section grows too long, that would be the time to create a spin-off article. Frankly, since you are a new editor, it would be very difficult for you to successfully create a freestanding article about a dispute between two tech companies. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

To add to Cullen's answer: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 20:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Initial volunteer editor review not received

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jeremiah Abraham Barondess

I submitted a draft article on "Jeremiah A. Barondess, MD" in late May 2024 and was told that it would be reviewed by one of your volunteer reviewers. I was not expecting a response before four months, but it is now five months later. Could someone check on this matter? Dr. Barondess turned age 100 on June 6th, 2024 and we would like for his article to appear sometime soon. Thanks so much. Gordon DeFriese GHDeFriese (talk) 17:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you created it on your user page here User:GHDeFriese but you have not submitted it for review so nobody will have seen it. Theroadislong (talk) 17:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved it to draft space as this post makes it clear they do want it reviewed. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

It's submitted for review now, but while we're waiting I'd strongly suggest attaching reliable sources to the text or there is very little chance it will be approved. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@GHDeFriese, please read BACKWARDS. ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

About extended confirmed

What is the quickest way to obtain WP:XCON status without having to wait for 500 edits? 49.205.80.150 (talk) 20:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

There is no way for a new account to gain extended confirmed status without making 500 productive, useful edits over the course of a month or more. Why are you in a hurry? Cullen328 (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

There's also no way for an IP user to get it at all, so if this in reference to an account, please sign before continuing this discussion. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Because Im tryna post on somebody's talk page 37.21.150.38 (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I assume you're asking because you want to edit a page that is extended-confirmed protected, so I'll take this moment to warn you that if it looks like you were making a lot of edits simply to get extended confirmed status, that status can and will be revoked. -- asilvering (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm asking because I want to talk to somebody about on their talk page but their talk page is extendedconfirmed protected 37.21.150.38 (talk) 11:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

In that case, 37.21.150.38, trying to circumvent their preference (assuming they themself created the restriction) would seem somewhat impolite.

Instead, if you want to talk to them, you could post a message on your own Talk page that includes a WP:Ping to them. They can then respond on your talk page if they choose to. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: Does this seem like a discussion you deleted yesterday? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for pinging me. This LTA is using proxies in an attempt to harass someone. I'm going to leave this here for reference; feel free to message me/ping me/report to AIV if they show up again. They have a finite amount of proxies; the more we block, the better. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there a way to merge versions of an article?

I've recently been dealing with an issue on the article List of string instruments. Basically, an IP user (45.186.112.244) made an edit to a section of the article that introduced a lot of problems, and involved deleting a lot of entries and breaking a lot of links (I'll spare you the details but suffice to say there were a lot of redlinks afterward). A few other users then gradually changed back parts of the section (each edit only fixed a few links at a time), and I cleaned up what remained.

But that still leaves the problem of the deleted entries. I'd love to just revert it, but a lot of those edits afterward also added information (mostly countries of origin) that would be lost if I reverted it back to the version right before the bad edit, and would be cumbersome to add back manually. I'm wondering if there is perhaps a way to merge that version with the current version of the article to fix all the problems that edit caused without sacrificing the info other people added afterwards. I know similar things are possible, like when two people edit an article at the same time, but I don't know if it's possible to do it manually and I don't know if it would even produce the right result. Any other information on how to potentially solve this problem is also welcome.

Best regards, TypoEater (talk) 22:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I think what you are proposing would be possible by first doing a history split then doing a selective history merge but I might be wrong about that. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 03:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

October 22

Secondary sourcing where primary sourcing may be more relevant

If I don't have access to a source to back up a claim, but a reliable source backs up the same claim while citing the original, can that source be used to attribute a fact?

The context is: "[Researcher A] stated that "claim to be attributed here" ([Researcher B])". I don't have access to the source by Researcher B. Both sources are what I'd consider reliable scholarly material and Wikipedia is built on secondary sources, but I'd rather be sure that this claim could be used. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

GeorgeMemulous, I find your question pretty vague but I will try my best to answer. Although use of primary sources is not forbidden, reliable secondary sources are preferred. They are one step removed from the original observation, and can analyze, compare and fact check primary sources. Such secondary sources provide the best source material for Wikipedia editors to summarize. When using a secondary source that discusses and analyzes a primary source, you need to read the secondary source, but it is not necessary that you read the primary source mentioned, although you can do so if you wish. As it were, the author of the secondary source has done that reading for you. Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

possible article on list of suppressed views/ideas in the past

hi, do we have an entry on list of suppressed views of the past, or list of suppressed contemporary views. In regards to views that were suppressed historically, , A favorite example is how opposition to germ theory lead to refusals to accept or properly test the ideas of Semmelweis. I can't find any entry for the kind of list that I am describing here. Kaveinthran (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

So you're looking for a list of ideas that were once generally rejected, and are now generally accepted? Like continental drift and the Big Bang? If so, I wouldn't use the word "suppressed". Maproom (talk) 06:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. "suppressed" is a very loaded term. One layperson's "suppressed idea" is a subject-matter expert's "widely ignored and long-refuted disinformation". --Orange Mike | Talk 06:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks for that added context, I agree with you. Kaveinthran (talk) 07:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

It's an area that could easily led to WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, so it would be tricky to do this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Kaveinthran List of superseded scientific theories might be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Merging and renaming articles

The published article SEMCAD needs to be merged with the text of the as yet unpublished draft Sim4Life, and the article must be renamed Sim4Life. The SEMCAD software platform is being discontinued and replaced by Sim4Life. SEMCAD was developed (I think in the early 2000s) by Schmidt and Partner Engineering AG (SPEAG) as a computational tool for simulating electromagnetic (EM) functions of wireless devices; Sim4life was developed by ZMT Zurich MedTech (a SPEAG partner) on the backbone of SEMCAD, with the addition of computational human phantoms to allow simulation of EM radiation with human physiology. How should I proceed? PLBounds (talk) 14:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@PLBounds As far as I can tell, you created the SEMCAD draft, which was accepted into mainspace via the WP:AfC process. If that needs merging with your current (declined) draft Draft:Sim4Life, then why not just incorporate that material yourself now and abandon the draft? The title of the enlarged article can be discussed subsequently, or you could be WP:BOLD and WP:MOVE it yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much, very helpful! PLBounds (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Odd problem with the shift key

Pressing the shift key on my chromebook makes the text entry go to the beginning (for example, if I were to press shift while typing this message, it will cause the caret to start typing at the top.) This only happens with wikipedia. Is this a wikipedia feature or my PC? Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Image inserting

I was inserting an image in a page at gallery section that I have uploaded in Wikimedia commons. I have tried to edit the link to add hyper and accidentally clicked delete button. The link of my image was deleted. I thought I will do it letter because the battery of my device was low. So I clicked publish changes. When the page returned I saw that other images at the gallery section are showing as plain text and the texts are the source links of the images. It seems like I have deleted some on the previous html texts. 103.121.62.117 (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have put back the missing </gallery> tag, and the pictures re now showing. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(1) You included brackets around the filename, which is not necessary when adding to a gallery (2) I've removed the photo you attempted to add, as the quality is not sufficient to merit inclusion there. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Questions about answering edit requests

I've decided to try out something new and answer edit requests, and I've made a couple posts over at Wikipedia talk:Edit requests that could use answering/discussion if anyone here happens to be experienced in that area. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

How to handle reverting by redirect?

Hi. The article Cryptoterrestrial hypothesis was redirected to Hollow Earth today. I reverted the redirect and started a discussion, but the redirect was reinstated. I reverted again and again discussed the issues. But the redirect was again made.

I think we should be discussing an outcome in the Talk pages. What do you suggest as my next step? Johnjbarton (talk) 20:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Johnjbarton, what characteristics sufficiently differentiate Cryptoterrestrial hypothesis from Hollow Earth such that two articles are needed, rather than one article and a redirect? (I don't know anything about this / these topic(s).) Folly Mox (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox I don't think two articles are needed. I think that sources in Cryptoterrestrial hypothesis should be reduced to remove some that are not notable and then the remainder should be merged with Hollow Earth. I would need to look into the sources to have an opinion on the final title. I reverted the redirect because it was done with no discussion and contrary to the work by five or six editors in building the article, reviewing it in AfC, and editing it into its current form. It was done with no discussion of the notability of the topic, the references, or the need, or lack thereof, for two articles. I think the article should be restored and the established merge or WP:Redirects for discussion process should apply. Johnjbarton (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Johnjbarton, since this is not in article space, I want to give you some behavior related advice here, more than what I alluded to on the talk page. I noticed some of this too when I came in as an uninvolved editor from the noticeboard discussion.

At Wikipedia, we have a concept called WP:WIKILAWYERING that we try to avoid. You've been given guidance on that partially through WP:NOTBURO policy and WP:DRNC already, but I mention that because I do believe it would be helpful for you to learn more about this and how to avoid it in disputes. Simply because someone makes a bold redirect does not mean you are justified in automatically undoing the redirect simply because there wasn't discussion (that is the nature of a bold redirect). There needs to be actual reason that the redirect is undone, not bureaucratic ones. You keep using the word "process" but are misunderstanding how the process works. Not every redirect has to go through RfD/AfD, especially when editors agree on it and there's consensus for it.

When the redirect was initially done, another editor left the edit summary, Per WP:FTN. Content history preserved. You can try to incorporate this stuff over there if you think it deserves WP:WEIGHT. . .. Especially since you also agree with the merge, it becomes WP:POINTY when you edit war over the redirect. Just simply work on the target article for content you think should be merged in. KoA (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Either way, @Johnjbarton and @Bon courage are edit warring and both need to stop and discuss it. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is why I am here. Johnjbarton (talk) 22:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

October 23

American singer, Toni Fisher.

American singer toni fisher was listed as being born on 4th. of December 1924. But other sources say that she was born 1931. What is the correct date? 180.150.38.127 (talk) 00:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 180.150.38.127. The correct date of birth for Toni Fisher may be something that Wikipedia is unable to determine on its own. Wikipedia content, in principle, is only intended to reflect what's written in reliable sources; so, if reliable sources state that Fisher was born on December 4, 1924, then that's pretty much what the Wikipedia article is going to be expected to say as well. Of course, in some cases, reliable sources may give different dates of birth for the subject of an article, and in such cases Wikipedia content may reflect or otherwise make mention of such differences. So, if you think that's the case here, you can either try to add content to the article regarding the discrepancy in reliable sources with respect to her date of birth yourself, or you can start a discussion about it at Talk:Toni Fisher. Please be advised though that Wikipedia defines reliable sources in a specific way, and not everything found on the Internet is, for example, going to be considered a reliable source.

The Find a Grave page cited being cited as a source in the article isn't really considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes per WP:RS/P#Find a Grave; however, somebody uploaded an image of a newspaper obituary for Fisher under her married name "Toni F. Monzello" to Find A Grave and that could be a reliable source for such information; unfortunately, only a clipping of the obituary is shown without any identifying information to the newspaper in comes from. The obituary does give her date of birth as December 4, 1924, but there's no real way to verify the source without knowing more about the paper it comes from. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Undefined refs

If someone could help out the IP at Talk:Attention_Is_All_You_Need#undefined_references that would be awesome. Commander Keane (talk) 04:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Did it

Folly Mox (talk) 11:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

complementar respuesta...

podrían incluir respuesta de una AI... 181.203.90.143 (talk) 05:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

We don't want AI output. Its propositional content cannot be better than that of the junk with which it's fed. Its prose is slick and boring. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Rename an article

There is a new article about Franz Meyer. German engineer. However, I discovered later that there is also an wikidata object : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q94784222 belonging to a different Franz Meyer (with same birth and death date!). Therefore I think that it would be better to rename the article ..wiki/Franz_Meyer to wiki/Franz_Meyer_(engineer). I found that there is also a wikidata object https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q94784222 what may influence the wikipedia search to "Franz Meyer". Please help. --Nawennschon (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, it would be better to link this article to the de.wikipedia.org article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Meyer_(Ingenieur). --Nawennschon (talk) 06:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nawennschon: What makes you think they are different people? Franz Meyer (Q94784222) appears consistent with Franz Meyer. The images look like the same person at different ages. Wikidata calls him an astronomer and physician. Franz Meyer says engineer but also says he improved astronomical telescopes. Maybe physician should have been physicist. Those words are sometimes confused. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nawennschon: I see that you translated de:Franz Meyer (Ingenieur) as Franz Meyer. "(Ingenieur)" is added to the German article name because there are several articles on de Wikipedia with similar names and de:Franz Meyer is the list of people of that name with de Wikipedia articles. en Wikipedia only has one such article , so it does not need the extra "(engineer)". The Wikidata item Franz Meyer (Q94784222) is linked to de:Franz Meyer (Ingenieur) so I have linked it to the new English article.

I would recommend reading help:Translation to understand the issues in translating from other Wikipedia projects, e.g. de Wikipedia does not require that content should have Wikipedia:Inline citations. TSventon (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Advanced question: cleanup templates broken on mobile

Bit of a tough question for the Help desk but it seems {{Specific section}} and {{Cleanup press release}} are broken on mobile. They don't display an icon and the text is cutoff. Maybe others in Category:Cleanup templates are borked also, someone needs to check. I couldn't think of the correct forum to ask this. Commander Keane (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Commander Keane: It appears to be deliberate. The omitted text is in the fix parameter of Template:Ambox#issue and fix. It gets the CSS class hide-when-compact. mw:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues#Proposed technical solutions suggests to hide it in mobile. If you always want to see the class in mobile then you can add .hide-when-compact {display:inline !important;} to Special:MyPage/minerva.css. The icon has the class mbox-image which is mentioned in mw:Recommendations for mobile friendly articles on Wikimedia wikis. You can display it with .mbox-image {display:inline !important;}. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

When do infant start seeing

When do infant start opening eyes 41.122.83.164 (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Try Infant visual development. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

A redirect that should not be a redirect!

I am lost, and I am afraid of making a huge mistake while trying to do the right thing..

The draft "Draft:Holy See–Syria relations" is mostly ready, but the title (Holy See–Syria relations) is already taken as a redirect (to a broad general subject) can it be posted instead of this redirect directly of is there a process.. same goes for: Holy See - Syria relations, Holy See-Syria relations, and Holy See – Syria relations; they all link to Foreign relations of the Holy See!

I made that draft simply out of frustration that such specific subjects (Holy See–Syria relations and mamy other countries not only Syria) are redirected to such a vastly broad subject. And when I finished my draft I found myself lost to how should I now make it take the place of the redirect. What should I do.. RamiPat (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@RamiPat I don't think you have created many new articles before, so the safest thing to do might be to submit your draft for review by placing the template {{subst:submit}} at the top. The reviewer who accepts the draft will know how to replace the redirect with your new article. Alternatively, if you think the article will survive the new pages patrol, you can request it be moved over the existing redirect by asking at for help at WP:RMTR, as you can't do the move yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

My draft is being declined

Could you please let me know why the draft is declined? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Supervisory_Technologies_(SupTech) Cambridgesusu (talk) 12:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)