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Is the title erroneous?

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should the page be called 'Emperor Norton' if he was in truth not the emperor of anywhere? Sebimus (talk) 17:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should count, as in the 1870 census, his profession was listed as "emperor," so he was technically recognised as an Emperor by an official body. [1]https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52b7952ee4b07e8bce6a436c/t/5f989d9ac5d3e32f08a60ebe/1603837340465/US_Census_San_Francisco_3rd_Ward_1_Aug_1870_p81.jpg Oofoofow (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has nothing to do with the title being real or not, the fact is that "Emperor Norton" is his WP:Common Name, and that is what governs how we name articles. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's like saying Lady Gaga's article shouldn't be called such as she is not a regally recognised Lady. 2.24.145.91 (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did Kamehameha V actually recognise Norton as ruler of the United States?

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In the "Foreign diplomacy" section of the article, it says that Kamehameha V of Hawaii recognised Norton as ruler of the United States, but this seems highly fake. I've had to remove one source listed on the subject because it didn't say anything on the matter, and the next source is a book from 1988, 108 years after Norton's death. How sure are we actually on this claim? Oofoofow (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great question! We definitely need to find some contemporary sources that support this. The fact that this "factoid" is repeated by many publications, including that of the American Historical Association, is certainly interesting, but not enough to responsibly support the claim. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Immigrated vs emigrated ?

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Shouldn’t it say he emigrated, not immigrated? 2A0E:1D47:CE05:1C00:D1B3:C63E:DD38:6038 (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. He emigrated from England. He immigrated to San Francisco. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This highlights an historical conundrum: Exactly from whence did Joshua Norton immigrate to San Francisco? He sailed from Liverpool to Boston in February 1846, suggesting that he left Cape Town at the end of 1845. But, after his arrival in Boston on 12 March 1846, the trail goes cold for 3½ years. On a few occasions, Norton claimed to have arrived in San Francisco aboard a ship from Rio de Janeiro in November 1849. But, although there were a couple of ships arriving in San Francisco from Rio in November 1849, there is no contemporaneous documentation connecting Norton to any specific ship. And, even assuming that he was aboard one of these two ships, we don't know where he was immediately before boarding the ship that brought him to San Francisco. Had he been living in Rio? Elsewhere in South America? Johnlumea (talk) 18:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]